Comments on: Backwards Translation http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/ "Predicting the future is easy. It's trying to figure out what's going on now that's hard" (Dressler, 2005) Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:15:05 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 By: Britt http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-249 Britt Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:51:55 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-249 Classes start in 2 days, so I have been negligent in commenting back, but wanted to thank Sue and Steve for their feedback. Sue, your idea of not using the LMS is radical and to some degree, I will be doing that. The LMS is ingrained in our university, so I will use it for administration (enrollment, announcements, documents, email, etc). But I am using a wiki for the initial projects, blogging for reflection, and I have the students looking at different tools and presenting them via interactive media. Delicious will be used for research and sharing. So while Blackboard will be used, it is simply a point for departure, and there will be a lot of modeling going on! Classes start in 2 days, so I have been negligent in commenting back, but wanted to thank Sue and Steve for their feedback. Sue, your idea of not using the LMS is radical and to some degree, I will be doing that. The LMS is ingrained in our university, so I will use it for administration (enrollment, announcements, documents, email, etc). But I am using a wiki for the initial projects, blogging for reflection, and I have the students looking at different tools and presenting them via interactive media. Delicious will be used for research and sharing. So while Blackboard will be used, it is simply a point for departure, and there will be a lot of modeling going on!

]]> By: Steve Mackenzie http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-248 Steve Mackenzie Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:19:50 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-248 Hi Sue and Britt, I think the survey of technical skills is a very good idea. Also i agree that ideally they should all use web 2.0 tools if they want to enjoy learning :-), but i suspect the familiar arena of blackboard gives a solid core base of commonality from which to proceed until the students feel more comfortable with new tools. In my earlier comments i was wondering where the connecting binding online space would be. If blackboard was not used, i think diigo social bookmarking would be a good place to bring them together in a central online space, rather than more involved wikis or ning networks (if you need to keep it simple) Hi Sue and Britt,

I think the survey of technical skills is a very good idea.

Also i agree that ideally they should all use web 2.0 tools if they want to enjoy learning :-) , but i suspect the familiar arena of blackboard gives a solid core base of commonality from which to proceed until the students feel more comfortable with new tools.

In my earlier comments i was wondering where the connecting binding online space would be. If blackboard was not used, i think diigo social bookmarking would be a good place to bring them together in a central online space, rather than more involved wikis or ning networks (if you need to keep it simple)

]]> By: Sue Waters http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-247 Sue Waters Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:05:15 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-247 I'm going to be the devil's advocate here. My thoughts are if you want them to learn about Web 2.0 tools you should be modeling their use through the entire process of the course so I wouldn't use my LMS but set up the course entirely using Web 2.0 tools. So you could use a mixture of blogs, wikis, Personalised Start Page etc to manage the course from. The other important aspect about Rogers Innovation Adoption Curve is the each group has a different reason for buying into the use of technology and differing technical support needs. I survey participants when I run PD to determine their technical skills level prior to doing the PD so I know where they are at. It really helps. For example if they haven't ever downloading applications or set up online accounts I know they will need a high level of support. Whereas someone who already has a high level of technical skills just needs to be shown a new way of doing things and they will normally fly. I’m going to be the devil’s advocate here. My thoughts are if you want them to learn about Web 2.0 tools you should be modeling their use through the entire process of the course so I wouldn’t use my LMS but set up the course entirely using Web 2.0 tools. So you could use a mixture of blogs, wikis, Personalised Start Page etc to manage the course from.

The other important aspect about Rogers Innovation Adoption Curve is the each group has a different reason for buying into the use of technology and differing technical support needs. I survey participants when I run PD to determine their technical skills level prior to doing the PD so I know where they are at. It really helps. For example if they haven’t ever downloading applications or set up online accounts I know they will need a high level of support. Whereas someone who already has a high level of technical skills just needs to be shown a new way of doing things and they will normally fly.

]]> By: Steve Mackenzie http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-241 Steve Mackenzie Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:22:47 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-241 very interested in how you get on Britt, look forward to your feedback both during and after the course don't know what you have planned for student feedback - but would be interested in what they think of your role as guider, how they viewed interactions with fellow students (did they feel connected, was it motivating being connected), how they liked/disliked the learning process and did they enjoy it. All the best Steve [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value. very interested in how you get on Britt, look forward to your feedback both during and after the course

don’t know what you have planned for student feedback – but would be interested in what they think of your role as guider, how they viewed interactions with fellow students (did they feel connected, was it motivating being connected), how they liked/disliked the learning process and did they enjoy it.

All the best
Steve

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]]> By: Britt http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-239 Britt Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:40:42 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-239 Got 20 students spread over 3 states, so F2F not an option. I met them briefly last month for an hour. Semester split into 14 weekly lessons, with deadlines for discussion postings and written work weekly. Got 20 students spread over 3 states, so F2F not an option. I met them briefly last month for an hour.

Semester split into 14 weekly lessons, with deadlines for discussion postings and written work weekly.

]]> By: Steve Mackenzie http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-238 Steve Mackenzie Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:33:20 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-238 Britt Forget the last comment i see you are doing a little lecturing (i presume as and when in whatever arena). What is your first contact with the students. how are the inducted to what is required? [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value. Britt

Forget the last comment i see you are doing a little lecturing (i presume as and when in whatever arena).

What is your first contact with the students. how are the inducted to what is required?

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]]> By: Steve Mackenzie http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-237 Steve Mackenzie Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:28:51 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-237 Britt, What form will the lecturing take - is it mainly through a text based discussion board? Also how many students taking part? [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value. Britt,

What form will the lecturing take – is it mainly through a text based discussion board?

Also how many students taking part?

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]]> By: Britt http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-236 Britt Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:21:31 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-236 Thanks for the feedback, Steve. You guessed right. We will be in Blackboard, but I use Blackboard more as a stepping stone, so we will also be in other places such as Wikispaces for one. And my role will be guidance counselor! Little "lecturing" but a lot of pointing, questioning, and applauding as we explore together. Thanks for the feedback, Steve. You guessed right. We will be in Blackboard, but I use Blackboard more as a stepping stone, so we will also be in other places such as Wikispaces for one.

And my role will be guidance counselor! Little “lecturing” but a lot of pointing, questioning, and applauding as we explore together.

]]> By: Steve Mackenzie http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/2008/08/06/backwards-translation/comment-page-1/#comment-235 Steve Mackenzie Thu, 07 Aug 2008 15:17:04 +0000 http://bwatwood.edublogs.org/?p=240#comment-235 Hi Britt, Looks a good course. Good idea. Hope it goes well. Just a couple of things so that i am clear about how the course will work. 1. where is the online focus for the students. where will they congregate online. Is it behind a VLE 2. How do you see your role as a teacher, how will you facilitate and/or impart knowledge. Cheers Steve [WORDPRESS HASHCASH] The poster sent us '0 which is not a hashcash value. Hi Britt,

Looks a good course. Good idea. Hope it goes well. Just a couple of things so that i am clear about how the course will work.

1. where is the online focus for the students. where will they congregate online. Is it behind a VLE

2. How do you see your role as a teacher, how will you facilitate and/or impart knowledge.

Cheers
Steve

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